Posted by: John | March 27, 2009

BNP: Don’t mention the Hindus!

The BNP like to present themselves as `giving it to you straight` type of a Party. `There’s no artifice with us. Oh no.  If we want to say something we just say it`.

Why’s it so noticeable then that the BNP are showing their true opportunist colours by NOT mentioning the issue of Hindu burials in Newcastle. There seems to be a blanket ban on reporting this on their blogs (yes it’s a dirty job but someone’s got to do it!) The bloggers must be jumping at the bit.

It couldn’t be because of this could it?:

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  1. http://bnp.org.uk/2008/09/how-mass-immigration-will-change-british-culture/ READ.

  2. Just goes to show I don’t look at the full extent of the BNP blogosphere! I actually think it looks ok. I see that their supporters are spewing out the usual knee-jerk foaming at the mouth `we’re all going to die`reactions. What’s interesting though is that they are not focussing on the main question – the risks in allowing it and whether these things can be done in a licensed place. Of course there’s no fresh thread about the actual challenge.

    No no, it’s all about the Muslims you see!

  3. Heh at least they didn’t support war crimes, bombing civilians, ethnic cleansing, genocide, & the sexual enslavement of children & dissecting thousands of people while alive as the Lib Dems do. Whatever one thinks of the BNP at lesat they aren’t remotely as pro-Nazi as the LDs.

  4. What are you talking about?

  5. I’m talking about the commission of “war crimes, bombing civilians, ethnic cleansing, genocide, & the sexual enslavement of children & dissecting thousands of people while alive as the Lib Dems do”.

    I don’t think that can be honestly denied. Nor can it be honestly denied that the BNP opposed it. That being the case I don’t think you can honestly deny that the entire 12,000 BNP members are collectively, less Nazi than each & every individual LibDem war criminal MP. As to why you support such racist murderers one can only speculate.

  6. What can`t be denied? The Lib Dems were always against the Iraq war. Which commission?

  7. I never mentioned the Iraq war – why do you bring it up.

    Can you deny that right through the Yugoslav wars & since the “Lib Dems” supported “war crimes, bombing civilians, ethnic cleansing, genocide, & the sexual enslavement of children & dissecting thousands of people while alive”? I don’t think you can honestly deny that, unless you openly say that it isn’t genocide if the victims are “Untermensch”. Is there a single word of what I have said that you can deny?

    You support it once you support the Nazi principle. Something you cannot say the BNP did.

  8. Did the BNP have any views at the time on the Yugoslav conflict. Believe me I’ve been all over the Balkans and can honestly say it’s probably more complicated than the Middle East conflicts. How did they `support` these things? I do think sometimes that the BNP supporters see things in black & white. Unless of course you are from Serb stock – in which case that IS a very double-edged coin!

    `Untermensch`is a very Nazi term in itself – funny how BNP supporters always fall back on such terminology.

  9. The BNP was indeed opposed to the Yugoslav bombing. They most definitely did not “support” these things – that was & still is the racist LibDems.

    If you have any evidence that I am a BNP supporter please produce it. If not withdraw it. The implication that I could only be opposed to genocide if I were of “Serb stock” is even more obscene & I ask you to withdraw it. You & your pro-Nazi party are the ones who, at least implicitly, support the concept of Untermensch. I note you do not deny a single word of the accusation that you & your racist party supported “war crimes, bombing civilians, ethnic cleansing, genocide, & the sexual enslavement of children & dissecting thousands of people while alive”.

  10. Ok you’re not a BNP supporter – though you suggested earlier that the BNP suggesting that they were `less pro-nazi than the Lib Dems` or words to that affect. As I recall the Lib Dems did support the ethnic kosovars in their struggle against Milosevic’s tyranny and Paddy Ashdown took a leading part trying to progress peace. I supported them in this as I felt that as it was on Europe’s soil it was important that people that were quite literally fired on (Sarajevo) or suffered genocide and concentration camps should have been helped.

    You obviously are very hang up about all these things and this is the one over-riding issue that seems to settle your vote. Fair enough – it’s your life. As for this Untermensch it is quite frankly another hang up of yours and why you use such Nazi era terminology is beyond me.

    btw I don’t consider myself a nazi in any way about this but then the BNP seem to always see things in black and white until it suits them. They are actually quite a juvenile party in that respect.

  11. The LibDems did support the KLA (Albanian gangsters from Albania, Germany & New york & a few even from Kosovo & armed by the NATO countries) – which is not at all the same as supporting the “erhnic Kosovars” & not very close to suppoting the ordinary Albanians. ilosevic was not a +”rtyrant” he was a democraticaly elected leader. Ashfown was certainly never interested in “progressing peace”. He was interested in helping the NATO armed openly KLA, w3hom he knew to be engaged in genocide3 & to be formed of drug lords & pimps who had already been engaged in “sexual enslavement of children & dissecting people while alive” & therefore knew for a certainty that that was what he was helping them do again. That is not any definion of “peace”.

    As for Sarajevo – I do not think politicians who supported ex-Nazis still publicly committed to genocide in that war can claim to have been trying to “help” any cause but Nazism.

    I don’t think that, considering he got unlimited support from LD MPs to carry out such genocide, decribing the BNP as less pro-Nazi than the LDs can be considered in any way flattering. I’ll admit to having a “hang up” about genocide, child sex slavery & cutting people open while they are alive. I think if the term “Liberal” in the party name was in any way whatsoever truthful they would too.

    Interesting to see you suggesting that the BNP should not be seen in black & white terms – this seems to me to be precisely the terms LDs normally use, though not portraying themselves as the black. I accept you do not consider yourself a Nazi but if everything I have said is true & I think you know it is, then you are unwittingly serving people as willing to carry out such obscenities as any formal Nazi. Unfortunately in the real world the monsters often wear sharp suits.

  12. Well you have your views I have mine. Your views are extremely jaundiced and I have decided to call a halt to this thread.

    I don’t believe I have unwittingly supported a party and I believe you think again in black and white terms.

    At the time it was NATO doing this work anyway – we just agreed with their efforts.

  13. Technically it wasn’t NATO since the NATO treaty specificly precludes any aggression – the way they finessed that one was by saying it was done by the individual countries coordinated by NATO.

    In any case only following orders is not a legitimate defence for genocide.

  14. What about the genocide by the Serbs against the Kosovars and others?

  15. This is simply a lie. Even the NATO funded “court” which recently “convicted” some Serbs did not claim that any such massacres had happened before NATO started bombing & essentially only “convicted” them of being responsible for refugees fleeing from places where NATO bombers were bombing them.

    http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg030509.html

    In fact a higher proportion of such refugees were Serb than of the population as a whole proving that it was not the Yugoslavs but NATO bombers & NATO armed terrorist who were responsible.

    One could, with exactly as much justification say that Auschwitz was justified because the Jews were killing Christian children. Just as one could, with exactly as much justification, say that Adolf Hitler was trying to “progress peace” as one could say it about the corrupt, genocidal, child raping, organlegging Nazi leadership of the “Lib Dems”.

  16. The problem was that Milosevic had a stranglehold on the area – I take it you don’t believe Srebrenica and the associated concentration camps?

    Or you haven’t been taken to the hill positions outside Sarajevo where Serbs killed people as they chose like a game?

    None of this is `justified` – yet you choose to ignore these things and have for some reason a huge jaundiced view of this subject.

    I will not be tarred any more as a nazi! From now on I will delete your posts.

  17. You can give it but not take it.

  18. Actually I can take it – I simply refuse to carry on a thread where I’m talked about as a Nazi when someone is obviously completely obsessed with a subject that is nothing to do with Hindus.

    I’ve noticed Neil Craig often gets into other sorts of threads talking about `arming the KLA` on what was an extremely difficult situation – Milosevic was a dictator himself and needed to be tackled. There would have been no way to have satisfied Neil Craig’s views – I have my views he has his.

    That doesn’t make me a nazi!

    Now because I don’t bend over to this rather idiotic philosophical framework I get told `you can give it but not take it`.

    I think i’ve tolerated a lot more than any BNP Government would allow!

    Back to the Hindus – are you going to campaign about the man in Newcastle and his view of funerals or not. Normally it would be an open goal. Is it because you have links with Hindus that stop you doing it?

  19. What are the Lib Dems going to do?

  20. What are your policies on it? You’re very quiet on a topic that is about ethnic minorities. You may be aware that the Lib Dems are not so obsessed with such narrow topics or don’t base economic policy so narrowly thus don’t yet have a policy (there are so many things to have policies about!).

    I guess we await the court case – perhaps you’d like to write to Newcastle City Council Lib Dems as it’s really in their jurisdiction!

  21. Sorry John, I’m just a BNP voter, when I get chance,but for me?I don’t like it. What about you John do you back it?

  22. It’s not a question of liking or not liking – it’s a question of whether it harms anyone else. My politics isn’t based on whether I like something or not it’s based on principles. Obviously it’s not going to be in the streets and would have to be licensed if it’s allowed at all.

    Are you Sadie Graham of Broxtowe?

  23. No mate, I,m a fella from Bedfordshire. Do you mean things like dropping bombs on Serbs?

  24. Giving the BNP platform doesn’t harm anyone,are you against that,you know democratic prnciples and all.

  25. I’ve never said the BNP shouldn’t have a platform. I just find a lot of their top people and general activists lack irony.

    Unfortunately in politics you have to take difficult decisions sometimes very painful for what you regard as for the long term good. The BNP like to claim that `if xxx was done then everything would be wonderful` – problem is life’s not like that.

    I note that at local council level where they have been elected they have been less than inspiring ie not turning up to meetings (or a lot less than other councillors) or having engaged in criminality or non-payment of council tax.

    I’m not a judgemental person as everyone makes mistakes. It’s just that the BNP when they actually get into power make more mistakes than most.

  26. . Lib-Dem Council candidate (Tower Hamlets), Justin Sillman – Convicted and jailed for 2 years for sexual abuse of young boys.

    . Lib-Dem Councillor and Mayoral Candidate ( Sheffield ), Francis Butler- Prosecuted for indecent assault of a young boy.

    . Lib-Dem Councillor ( Stockport ) Neil Derbyshire – Sexually assaulted a 16-year old boy in a public toilet. He was caught with a plastic bag containing lubricant, plastic surgical gloves, a condom, and underpants.

    . Lib-Dem Councillor ( Preston ), Bill Chadwick – Charged with: Making an indecent photograph of a child, Incitement to rape, Incitement to murder, Incitement to kidnap, and Incitement to torture. Chadwick’s gay lover – Alan Valentine, is also a Lib-Dem councillor.

    VIOLENCE:

    . Lib-Dem councillor (North Norfolk), Catherine Wilkins – Also a nurse until she was struck off the nursing register after being found guilty of mistreating patients and abusive behaviour.

    . Lib-Dem Parliamentary candidate ( Burnley ), Paul Wright – Charged with drunken assault on his `lodger`. Wright sobbed like a baby during the court case, and the case is to be re-listed and heard again after the jury failed to reach a verdict.

    . Lib-Dem Councillor ( Sheffield ) Trevor Morgan – Convicted and jailed for 9 months for unlawful wounding/dangerous driving. After attacking an elderly woman’s Golden retriever dog by throwing pepper in its face, he then seriously injured the dog’s owner – 57-year old Barbara Johnson, with his car as she tried to stop him escaping.

    CORRUPTION:

    . Lib-Dem Councillor (Peterborough), Michael Jackson – Prosecuted for 21 counts of Theft and False Accounting.

    . 3 Lib-Dem Councillors convicted and jailed for Election Fraud in Hackney in 2001

    . 12 Lib-Dem officials convicted of Election Fraud in Oldham in 2001.

    . Julie Roberts – Convicted of 9 counts of benefit fraud in 2003. 2 weeks after the court case, she was elected as a Lib-Dem councillor in Leicester !

    . Lib-Dem councillor (Portsmouth), Ray Race – Convicted and jailed for 4 months for election rigging, along with Lib-Dem colleague Michael Hayward. Race was arrested again in July 2003 for threatening a witness who helped to convict him.

    . Lib-Dem councillor (Lambeth), Gabriel Fernandez – Forced to resign after being investigated for benefit fraud.

    OTHER:

    . Former Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe – Stood trail for conspiring to have his blackmailing gay lover murdered.

  27. After a year in office, our three councillors in Leicestershire have a track record to be proud of and one to put the old gang parties to shame.

    The average attendance of our councillors is 98.2% with councillor in Cathy Duffy in Charnwood attending 100% of her meetings.

    Councillors Graham Partner and Ian Meller on North West Leicestershire have only missed 1 meeting, giving the BNP an average attendance on NW Leicestershire District Council at 97.6% compared with Labour 93.6%, Conservatives 86.8% and Lib Dems 73.5%.

  28. Glad to hear you support people that work hard.

    I too could cut and paste from the BNP website!

    The problem you have is percentages. I think the BNP have 55 Councillors (?) – I work it out from another website that BNP have a figure of 9% who have had problems with criminality and the same figure for poor attendance. 5% have links to Nazi organisations and 7% seem to have problems with paying their rents or Council Tax. If that were translated into a party with say 2000 cllrs it would be a figure of at least 170 cllrs problems with criminality and/or poor attendance.

  29. You don’t back anything up John, and if having problems paying rent and council Tax is a crime then many,many people are guilty,me included. The BNP is the fastest growing party around here and the members I have met have been very nice older people. I will say the actions of muslims the other week here in Luton has helped the BNP in a massive way. That was the final straw for many. Some people find the BNP out of anger,things that upset them, such as the muslim protest or British jobs for British workers or mass immigration or dislike of the EU, whatever, but what they find is, in the majority of cases,I believe is nice everyday people,not skinheads or nazis, answers and straight talk not spin and politically correct head in the sand cowards and appeasers. The BNP are on the rise and the more the other parties do to try and stop them instead of listening to the people,the better case the BNP make and the weaker the other parties look,I don’t think the majority of people in this country will go for the Hindu burial, burning thing and no doubt the BNP will address it, the Hindus around here are no problem but people will draw a line. Well maybe not the Lib Dems.

  30. Ok then there are 55 elected BNP cllrs –

    5 of them have problems with criminality

    2 of them have strong nazi links

    5 of them have serious attendance problems

    4 of them have or have had council tax and rent arrears

    There’s a difference between just listening to people and becoming a `peoples party` and actually trying to sort out really complicated issues.

    Yes people are angry and they have every right to be – unemployment, mismanaging of the economy, general labour sleaze – what we have differences on are the solutions.

    Round here the Muslim community are the last of any problems and are the most law-abiding of the lot. Then round here we have a four star and improving Lib Dem council that ameoliarates the situation put on people by Labour.

    I find the BNP offer very simple solutions to very complex problems. If you got rid of non-British people here and other governments followed suit there’d be an influx of loads of people from Spain etc.

    The problem for the BNP is that there are more people against them than for them – the overriding message in Carlisle was that `we are fed up with politics but don’t want the BNP`.

    If there is no spin from the BNP why do they not mention on the website about the Hindu issue.

    Yes let’s all flail out at `the other tribe` in times of real stress – that won’t actually create jobs and the atmosphere that will be created would I fear chase jobs away or hinder people’s creativity and entrepreneurial spirit.

    As for Nick Griffin – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1160972/The-far-right-march-rise-fascism-Austria.html – why don’t you write to him to ask about these nazi links.

    The last thing the elderly people you mention want to return to is what they fought against all those years ago.

  31. John we are returning to what our brave people fought against not so long ago, its called the EU and you lot are part of the problem, people will vote for whoever they want and around here the BNP is growing and growing fast. Its funny how you liberals hate the daily mail one day then love it the next, but hey, you are Lib Dem.

  32. Perhaps some hypocrisy complaining about some members of the BNP allegedly having Nazi links when you censor discusion of the fact the LibDems bomb hospitals to help real, blood on their boots Nazis commit genocide.

  33. Ah right let’s get rid of the EU (why are you lot trying so hard then to be MEPs?). Let’s not have any way of co-operating on climate change, pollution and food standards etc.

    I’m proud of my MEP Chris Davies who’s fought hard about the failings of the EU and the scandalous expenses of MEPs. I take it Nick Griffin won’t be claiming any outrageous allowances should he be elected?

    Apparently the paper with the most lib dem readership is the Daily Mail. I read it at my parents – though I disagree with it a lot it does have a good femail section and represent its core very right readership well. It also fought the Lawrence case well – his mate Duane Brooks by the way is a Lib Dem cllr.

  34. Perhaps some hypocrisy complaining about some members of the BNP allegedly having Nazi links when you censor discusion of the fact the LibDems bomb hospitals to help real, blood on their boots Nazis commit genocide.

    Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  35. http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/2007/05/khan-mafia-up-to-their-old-tricks.html . Come and stay in a Luton B&B for few weeks take a walk round.

  36. John its no good asking me what Nick Griffin will do, I have never met him, I like what he has to say and he and the BNP have my vote. They tick the right boxes for me,thats it. I’m a voter.

  37. British National Party policy on the EU is to leave that body before it utterly destroys this nation’s national sovereignty – and a new poll conducted for the BBC has found that a majority of British voters endorse that position.

    The poll, conducted for BBC Two’s Daily Politics show, also showed that British voters want a referendum on further integration into the EU.

    When asked in the poll if Britain should leave the EU but maintain close trading links, fifty five percent agreed with only forty one percent disagreeing.

    When asked if the current economic crisis has made people more likely to join the Euro, only thirty one percent agreed with sixty four percent disagreeing.

    On the question of whether Britain benefits overall from membership of the European Union in terms of jobs and trade only forty four percent agreed with fifty one percent disagreeing.

    There was very strong support for a referendum on further integration with the European Union. When asked if the British people should decide in a vote before Britain transfers any further power to the European Union, eighty four percent agreed, with thirteen percent against.

    The poll was conducted for BBC2’s Daily Politics programme by ComRes. They spoke to 1,004 voters between the 13th March and 16th March.

    British National Party policy on the EU dovetails perfectly with this opinion poll result.

    According to the BNP manifesto, the party is “opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures.

    “At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket — political unification.

    “Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us.

    “Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home.”

  38. I for one am glad Hindus and Sihks are have faith in the BNP, because these are the people who want to enrich our society, with their culture. While Islam constantly persecuted people of other faiths and is completely intollerant of anything british. Islam wants nothing more than to rule and to put everyone else in servitude.

    Fuck Islam vote BNP

  39. I doubt if any but a handful of Hindus and Sikhs have faith in the BNP let alone vote for them.

    As for Islam wanting `nothing more than to rule and to put everyone else in servitude` I was a Cllr for an area that was 5% Muslim albeit the moderate sort.

    I never came across these attitudes and they were the most law-abiding group of the lot.

    Any more sweeping statements or severely paranoid assertions from your lot?

  40. Everythings fine then John.

  41. I agreee with the host of this site.

    1. Hindus and seeks in Kashmir commit the most horrific crimes to the Muslim population there and rape women and children daily.

    2. I have not only lived in places where there are a large Muslim population and never heard of any anti wetern sentiments or hatred. This is caused by a handful of radicals shooting their mouths off and making headlines. The BNP then use this to their advantage spreading hate. The BNP are well known for spreading lies and hatred. They are run by people who denied the hallacaust but now to gain publicity claim it did happen.

    I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THE BNP !!

    ……………..end of!


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